tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post4185298365675156136..comments2024-02-22T08:58:23.617-05:00Comments on The Session Beer Project™: WTF, GABF?!Lew Brysonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04084380741402026573noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-39383469348179883782011-01-15T20:13:22.324-05:002011-01-15T20:13:22.324-05:00Did you really expect BA to get it right? I'm...Did you really expect BA to get it right? I'm still trying to figure out why Yeungling isn't a craft brewery based on their new definition.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14256078606152011585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-64560206081052672292011-01-14T16:57:59.674-05:002011-01-14T16:57:59.674-05:00I also find this baffling. I'm very aware tha...I also find this baffling. I'm very aware that some sort of specific, measurable guidelines are needed for competition, whether it be BJCP, GABF, etc. - fair enough. But it should be apparent that a 'session beer' might fall into a variety of categories; presenting it as essentially a 'light' version of something else makes little sense, as you've so rightly pointed out.<br /><br />Here's my question: does this mean that in order to qualify as a session beer under this definition, a Berliner Weisse would have to be an 'imperial' Berliner Weisse? That's just bizarre.Lisahttp://weirdbeergirl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-15500798397667887112011-01-14T14:39:26.678-05:002011-01-14T14:39:26.678-05:00It is all about definitions. Who defines the term...It is all about definitions. Who defines the terms, ends up determining the acceptable meaning. The problem is for some reason not yet revealed the GABF has decided to put out this definition as a "style", and seems to not understand either the origins nor understand the category. The ground swell for this low ABV style here in the US, is still in large part a grassroots ground swell that has not met the public at large or those at the GABF. It will fall on the shoulders of people like Chris to get out in front and start to lead the conversation, and there by teach the masses the appropriate definitions. Less we all swallow what the GABF is pouring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-7917840687770903272011-01-14T13:23:12.059-05:002011-01-14T13:23:12.059-05:00Chris, Brandon,
The GABF seems to be making some ...Chris, Brandon,<br /><br />The GABF seems to be making some attempts to open up competition to 'style-less' or 'style-straddling' beers; there are a number of much less defined categories now. I think -- hope -- that's what the "Session Beer" style is all about.<br /><br />What I don't get is why this one is so sharply defined. Why not just put an upper limit -- again, I'd suggest 4.5% -- on it, and leave everything else up to the brewer. <i>That's</i> the way to fire up the innovation engine!Lew Brysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04084380741402026573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-58143810452371540302011-01-14T13:14:51.577-05:002011-01-14T13:14:51.577-05:00"apparent Extract/Final Gravity (ºPlato) 1.00..."apparent Extract/Final Gravity (ºPlato) 1.004-1.010"<br /><br />Sessions beers must be dry? Plenty of milds finish north of 1.010, that's were they should be, lest they be dry and bland.<br /><br />Agree with Chris....it's not a style at all, merely a loose description. It's like having a catch all "British" category. <br /><br />I'm brewing my Oatmeal Stout nest week. I call it a session beer. O.G. 1.044 F.G 1.011 means it doesn't fit the artificial category definitions of either "Oatmeal Stout" or "Session Beer". Pfffttt...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08285232401763912675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-11957030864501795812011-01-14T11:33:27.757-05:002011-01-14T11:33:27.757-05:00And why even a Session Beer style at all? It's...And why even a Session Beer style at all? It's not even a style, but a category or collection of styles with lower ABV. I can't get my head around what they are trying to do.Chris @ Notchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10588997056492780245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-35446425049328983082011-01-14T11:32:36.273-05:002011-01-14T11:32:36.273-05:00I agree that there should be no lower limit on abv...I agree that there should be no lower limit on abv for session beers. Or, at least, that limit shouldn't be 4%. That seems to defeat the entire purpose.<br /><br />As Chris Lohring made his argument for why he says 4.5%, I thought he used great logic. A 5% 12oz beer has the same amount of alcohol as a single 1.5oz serving of 80 proof Vodka (both have .6 oz of alcohol), which is normally seen as a single serving. Session beer should be BELOW a usual single serving of alcohol / serving of beer.<br /><br />That's why I agree with the 4.5% upper limit (or even lower but, as you said, baby steps).<br /><br />A lower limit is just preposterous. So a 3.5% beer isn't a session beer? Weird... It's just nonsensical. I would understand if they put a limit of 1% on the low end. But 4%? Nope.Jeff from DrinkCraftBeer.comhttp://drinkcraftbeer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-15625002058845528262011-01-14T11:26:35.215-05:002011-01-14T11:26:35.215-05:00I think I might try to enter the Pro-Am with my Se...I think I might try to enter the Pro-Am with my Session Russian Imperial Stout. I'll just dial my nice RIS recipe back to 5%! Whaddaya think?<br /><br />Oh and by the way, I've been mostly dead all day.JackBrewsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-54689644975114520902011-01-14T11:12:42.189-05:002011-01-14T11:12:42.189-05:00I'm not really sure what the GABF intended wit...I'm not really sure <i>what</i> the GABF intended with this catch-all, Brian!<br /><br />Kevin, I'll have to disagree; I think the last thing we need is another, really similar-sounding term. And while I agree to some extent about tradition, the 4.5% thing is a moving target for me. I have a certain amount of influence on this discussion by merit of having been writing about beer for years, and I didn't want to waste it by going hard for 4%; there wouldn't have been many American beers to celebrate. 4.5% is a compromise, and it's not forever. Happily, I'm seeing brewers coming in well below that -- 3.5, 3.8, even 3.1% beers -- so we may be able to slide it some day soon. Or not, if it works. It's a definition, and it's also a lever to move the "session" number down from 5.5%. Small steps. Small steps.Lew Brysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04084380741402026573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-45835348536021275832011-01-14T11:06:23.885-05:002011-01-14T11:06:23.885-05:00I do believe in keeping with tradition. The term &...I do believe in keeping with tradition. The term "session" has historically been 4%. I do not think we should change the definition to simply suit our own tastes. <br /><br />I really think people need to embrace the word sessionable. A beer can be sessionable without being a session beer. <br /><br />These terms only useful if we can agree on definitions. It is far more beneficial to maintain the historical definition for session beer and embrace the newer term of sessionable beer for those which do not fit the the style.Kevinhttp://beeradvocate.com/user/profile/kzoobrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951352146709932219.post-21239666700631203752011-01-14T11:05:48.397-05:002011-01-14T11:05:48.397-05:00Good commentary! I am pretty new to Session beers ...Good commentary! I am pretty new to Session beers so I enjoy reading about the different styles and now to see how GABF categorises them into one cat? interesting...Brianhttp://www.seacoastbeveragelab.comnoreply@blogger.com